Danger of self suck?

[smudgefish2]

Hi, I used to be smudgefish, haven't logged in for a year or two, now can't get back in with that, so new username!

I don't want to sound negative but I'm interested to see if anyone knows anything about this, or has even experienced it (apologies if a bit medical I'm a doctor)

I've been self sucking regularly for several years. Had a few palpitations a couple of years ago sort of ignored them but eventually got checked - 24hr tape and echocardiogram - told just an SVT don't worry. Then in January self sucked one night, and went into fast AFib during the night about an hour later (according to my watch) which lasted 24 hours ended up at hospital - again told not to worry you're a long distance runner probably due to that and your age but referred cardiology. Started also developing chest pains at night and on exercise. Listed for an angiogram but consultant cancelled it saying I'm too fit otherwise, and listed me for exercise test.

Things settled mostly but I didn't dare suck myself again. Went for exercise test which was stopped early due to my BP, consultant said it's fine and discharged me. No more investigations planned. Still having chest pains intermittently told definitely not ischaemic by cardiology after exercise test.

Decided to give it a go again as wife away for few days and have to say best day ever yesterday sucked for 3 hours, total bliss! BUT... woke in middle of last night with fast irregular pulse again. Damn back in fast AF!! Expecting it to last at least most of the day and it's not the most comfortable thing to have. No chest pain though.

I'm 56, long distance runner, very good diet, slim, otherwise healthy.

This really does seem related to self sucking too much like co-incidence it's happened twice in a row. I presume the heart being squished is something it doesn't like? Similar thing can happen in chest trauma.

Any thoughts or experiences similar to this?? Is it definitely the sucking? Nothing is going to stop me I'll put up with the AF if necessary

[aleingang69]

Wow - sorry you're going through this, man!

I have major heart problems -- if I hadn't had a mitral valve repair in my 30s I would have died within a year -- and have been dealing with afib for a little over a year, in addition to lifelong mitral regurgitation and a few other cardiac diagnoses. These are, as far as I can tell, related to a connective tissue disorder that I seem to have (The closest to an exact diagnosis on that is The MASS Phenotype, which seems to be the "you have a condition and we don't know exactly what it is, so we'll call it this" diagnosis), which, among other things, made me EXTREMELY flexible.

That said, I will say that I never saw any connection between my extreme selfsuck sessions and heart issues. It's possible, I guess, that my decades of self-pleasure put extra strain on my heart and that's why it's as messed up as it is, but -- I never had any obvious symptoms after sucking myself.

The connection with you seems so clear and direct that it does sound like it's probably a bad idea to keep on sucking yourself, sad to say. What position(s) do you tend to use in your sessions? I wonder if that different positions might have different effects?

Glad you're checking in with us!

AL

[smudgefish2]

Thanks @aleingang69 for that quick reply! And thanks for being so open about your heart issues. Can't really discuss this anywhere else, certainly wasn't going to bring the topic up with my cardiologist.

I almost always use plough these days can't really do any other position. Probably the worst for chest pressure.

Not sure I can give up to be honest too good to stop forever, arrythmias are common in runners and I'm probably just adding insult to injury but perhaps if I'm careful....I can't imagine it is actually dangerous I just might put myself into AF again. 3 hours yesterday might have been overdoing it a bit especially after months off. Done short session today to assess if anything happens, the risk is definitely worth it. There's always the option of trialling a beta blocker before I suck myself of course.

This isn't something I'm going to find in a text book, or anyone who knows much about it, so going to play it by ear. Nothing ventured nothing gained!

[aleingang69]

Yeah - I have told doctors that I "Do a lot of yoga, including some pretty extreme bending postures", and that seemed to satisfy them

I admire your commitment to our favorite sport, and I hope you'll keep us all up to date on how it goes.

I do wonder if you might have a similar genetic condition to the one that I have. I've had arrythmias since I was a kid, along with the life-long extreme flexibility. In my case, it ended up with me needing open-heart mitral valve repair in my 30s, or I would have died.

Keep on suckin', man!

Al

[smudgefish2]

Not sure. I'm slim but not naturally over flexible, took literally years of practice to get where I am.

Bout of AF lasted nearly a week only just settled today and now I'm on more drugs for it!!

Have to say I'm very nervous and doubt I'm going to self suck again, next step is a cardiac ablation if keeps recurring and I would rather avoid that. So probably bowing out, it was good whilst it lasted. Will post update if that changes

[aleingang69]

I'm so sorry to hear that, but it absolutely makes sense. At least you have a lot of amazing, actual memories that the vast majority of men can only dream of!